VW Golf GTI VS Alfa Romeo Giulietta QV

[benjopower]

Ma di costa stiamo parlando?
E' evidente che dall'articolo esca nettamente vittoriosa la golf gti.
A partire dalle finiture, anche quelle nascoste, che vedono una supremazia della tedesca.
Non dimenticando che la giulietta ha un cambio dove prima e seconda marcia entrano con difficoltà.
Tra le 2 vince sicuramente la WV, che poi l'alfa abbia cuore sole e amore è un altro discorso.

Per quanto riguarda le prestazioni, "tralasciando" cambio e sterzo Alfa, i tempi sono praticamente uguali.
Ma chi sceglie un auto del genere penso lo faccia anche per usare il mezzo "normalmente" e non solo su pista. Ecco perchè VW vince.
Se si guardasse a un uso esclusivo da pista onestamente punterei su altro (megane RS).

 

[EVOLVO]

Top gear sulla Giulietta :

235bhp. Through the front wheels. In an Alfa Romeo. Normally, that's all you'd need to know to make sure you didn't buy this Giulietta Cloverleaf. After all, power and Alfas have not been happy bedfellows in recent years... 147 GTA, Brera, 156 GTA - I could go on.

The new Cloverleaf alters all that. This is the most powerful variant in the model range, and its 235bhp pitches it slap bang in the middle of hot-hatch world. But the Cloverleaf isn't your classic, slightly unhinged hot hatch. Plant your foot on a dry bit of road and the steering wheel doesn't fidget in your hands, the 235bhp and 251lb ft are delivered smoothly from the new 1.7-litre turbocharged engine, and everything is strangely civilised. Previous cooking Alfas, right up to the recent MiTo, always felt like the car was under-chassised - as if there was far too much power, and the suspension and tyres couldn't really cope. Drivers were left exhausted due to the effort of constantly fighting to keep everything in check, with the result that you never drove them all that quickly.

Not so in the Giulietta. Even on a gentle run on some knackered British roads, there's a brilliant compliance to everything. It's comfortable (despite having a 10mm lower ride height than normal Giuliettas), doesn't torque steer noticeably and has minimal wind noise. Even the interior is tastefully understated, without a ribbed leather seat in sight.

But there is a problem. If you drive the Giulietta on the raggedy edge, it loses some of that composure. Where Megane RenaultSports or Golf GTIs keep on giving no matter how much they're pushed, the Cloverleaf doesn't become better the quicker you go. The steering bucks around in your hands more and the damping can't keep up with the higher speeds. Go barrelling into a corner in the Alfa too hard and the car gets too nose heavy, with no sensation of the Cloverleaf pivoting around you like the best hot hatches have. The natural chassis balance isn't quite there.

The Cloverleaf feels like Alfa has tried to make a Golf GTI rival, but it hasn't got there. To be fair, the Alfa does the Golf part of Golf GTI very well. It's comfortable and refined, you get a decent-looking car into the bargain. Plus, at £24,495 it's £385 cheaper than the five-door VW. But the GTI, bi-polar part of the Golf is missing. That final little bit of fun isn't there. Buy it because it's different, not because it's better.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/alfa-romeo/giulietta/road-test/cloverleaf-driven

http://www.topgear.com/uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/road-test/mk-6

voto finale Giulietta : 13/20
voto finale GTI : 17/20

Piers Ward

 

[BufaloBic]

Top gear sulla Giulietta :

235bhp. Through the front wheels. In an Alfa Romeo. Normally, that's all you'd need to know to make sure you didn't buy this Giulietta Cloverleaf. After all, power and Alfas have not been happy bedfellows in recent years... 147 GTA, Brera, 156 GTA - I could go on.

The new Cloverleaf alters all that. This is the most powerful variant in the model range, and its 235bhp pitches it slap bang in the middle of hot-hatch world. But the Cloverleaf isn't your classic, slightly unhinged hot hatch. Plant your foot on a dry bit of road and the steering wheel doesn't fidget in your hands, the 235bhp and 251lb ft are delivered smoothly from the new 1.7-litre turbocharged engine, and everything is strangely civilised. Previous cooking Alfas, right up to the recent MiTo, always felt like the car was under-chassised - as if there was far too much power, and the suspension and tyres couldn't really cope. Drivers were left exhausted due to the effort of constantly fighting to keep everything in check, with the result that you never drove them all that quickly.

Not so in the Giulietta. Even on a gentle run on some knackered British roads, there's a brilliant compliance to everything. It's comfortable (despite having a 10mm lower ride height than normal Giuliettas), doesn't torque steer noticeably and has minimal wind noise. Even the interior is tastefully understated, without a ribbed leather seat in sight.

But there is a problem. If you drive the Giulietta on the raggedy edge, it loses some of that composure. Where Megane RenaultSports or Golf GTIs keep on giving no matter how much they're pushed, the Cloverleaf doesn't become better the quicker you go. The steering bucks around in your hands more and the damping can't keep up with the higher speeds. Go barrelling into a corner in the Alfa too hard and the car gets too nose heavy, with no sensation of the Cloverleaf pivoting around you like the best hot hatches have. The natural chassis balance isn't quite there.

The Cloverleaf feels like Alfa has tried to make a Golf GTI rival, but it hasn't got there. To be fair, the Alfa does the Golf part of Golf GTI very well. It's comfortable and refined, you get a decent-looking car into the bargain. Plus, at £24,495 it's £385 cheaper than the five-door VW. But the GTI, bi-polar part of the Golf is missing. That final little bit of fun isn't there. Buy it because it's different, not because it's better.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/alfa-romeo/giulietta/road-test/cloverleaf-driven

http://www.topgear.com/uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/road-test/mk-6

voto finale Giulietta : 13/20
voto finale GTI : 17/20

Piers Ward

eh be a questo punto bisogna arrendersi la Golf è superiore :lol: :lol:

 

[EVOLVO]

Top gear sulla Giulietta :

235bhp. Through the front wheels. In an Alfa Romeo. Normally, that's all you'd need to know to make sure you didn't buy this Giulietta Cloverleaf. After all, power and Alfas have not been happy bedfellows in recent years... 147 GTA, Brera, 156 GTA - I could go on.

The new Cloverleaf alters all that. This is the most powerful variant in the model range, and its 235bhp pitches it slap bang in the middle of hot-hatch world. But the Cloverleaf isn't your classic, slightly unhinged hot hatch. Plant your foot on a dry bit of road and the steering wheel doesn't fidget in your hands, the 235bhp and 251lb ft are delivered smoothly from the new 1.7-litre turbocharged engine, and everything is strangely civilised. Previous cooking Alfas, right up to the recent MiTo, always felt like the car was under-chassised - as if there was far too much power, and the suspension and tyres couldn't really cope. Drivers were left exhausted due to the effort of constantly fighting to keep everything in check, with the result that you never drove them all that quickly.

Not so in the Giulietta. Even on a gentle run on some knackered British roads, there's a brilliant compliance to everything. It's comfortable (despite having a 10mm lower ride height than normal Giuliettas), doesn't torque steer noticeably and has minimal wind noise. Even the interior is tastefully understated, without a ribbed leather seat in sight.

But there is a problem. If you drive the Giulietta on the raggedy edge, it loses some of that composure. Where Megane RenaultSports or Golf GTIs keep on giving no matter how much they're pushed, the Cloverleaf doesn't become better the quicker you go. The steering bucks around in your hands more and the damping can't keep up with the higher speeds. Go barrelling into a corner in the Alfa too hard and the car gets too nose heavy, with no sensation of the Cloverleaf pivoting around you like the best hot hatches have. The natural chassis balance isn't quite there.

The Cloverleaf feels like Alfa has tried to make a Golf GTI rival, but it hasn't got there. To be fair, the Alfa does the Golf part of Golf GTI very well. It's comfortable and refined, you get a decent-looking car into the bargain. Plus, at £24,495 it's £385 cheaper than the five-door VW. But the GTI, bi-polar part of the Golf is missing. That final little bit of fun isn't there. Buy it because it's different, not because it's better.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/alfa-romeo/giulietta/road-test/cloverleaf-driven

http://www.topgear.com/uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/road-test/mk-6

voto finale Giulietta : 13/20
voto finale GTI : 17/20

Piers Ward

eh be a questo punto bisogna arrendersi la Golf è superiore :lol: :lol:

Non è superiore, ............ è semplicemente meglio :lol: , come si evince dall'articolo esaustivo di Topgear. Poi la parzialità è l'anima dell'automobilismo quindi ipergiustamente ognuno ha il suo parere..........parere che si confronta con il giornalismo e la realtà di vendita, sul primo punto vedi sopra per il resto in giro non ne ho vista :lol: :lol: una...............ma essendo di parte io vedo solo le TETTEsche

 

[BufaloBic]

Mah secondo me i gusti son gusti, le opinioni sono opinioni, e la realtà è realtà. La Golf è un'ottima auto ma la Giulietta non le è da meno anzi... questo è quanto emerge poi se a uno piace più la Golf questo è un altro paio di maniche

 

[paulein118]

Ho letto la prova, mi ha incuriosito la parte sullo sterzo, entrambi ZF montati direttamente sulla cremagliera. Ma perchè sulla golf montano quello busonazzo da 42 giri???
One, anche sulla bellissima è montato sulla cremagliera?

 

[PASSATTONE]

Ho letto la prova, mi ha incuriosito la parte sullo sterzo, entrambi ZF montati direttamente sulla cremagliera. Ma perchè sulla golf montano quello busonazzo da 42 giri???
One, anche sulla bellissima è montato sulla cremagliera?

Quel servosterzo elettromeccanico è comune a più modelli Vw e vista la parentela della Bellissima con la Golf ci sono buone probabilità (perchè le uniche notizie certe che riuscii a scovare in proposito erano appunto riferite a Golf e Touran) che sia fondamentalmente lo stesso, magari con una taratura specifica.

Tra l'altro questo servosterzo dotato di servoazionamento sull'alloggiamento della cremagliera, è il primo ad elevate prestazioni per il segmento medio automotive nel quale la ruota dentata anzichè essere in metallo è composta da una speciale plastica tecnica (mi pare... l'Ultramid... vado a memoria... un poliammide non rinforzato... impiegato in applicazioni dove sono necessari requisiti particolari di temperatura e di comportamento rispetto all?attrito radente... e tu... Busein almeno su sta robbba dovresti essere ferrato vero? ) progettata per riuscire a trasmettere forze elevate a temperature comprese tra - 40°C e + 120 °C per tutta la vita utilie dell'auto.

Questo servo lo adotta anche Bmw, qui però il servomotore è posizionato in prossimità della plancia strumenti direttamente sul piantone dello sterzo.

 

[paulein118]

Bravo One, Ultramid è il nome con cui si identifica la famiglia di prodotti poliammidici della Basf!
Mi fa sorridere il fatto che questo tipo di comando viene utilizzato su veicoli che hanno uno sterzo "sportiv-ONE", però per la vw utilizzano la taratura alla "nonnino Evolvo"...
VA che son dei bei busonazzi sti crucchi! ;-)

 

[CBcobra]

Top gear sulla Giulietta :

235bhp. Through the front wheels. In an Alfa Romeo. Normally, that's all you'd need to know to make sure you didn't buy this Giulietta Cloverleaf. After all, power and Alfas have not been happy bedfellows in recent years... 147 GTA, Brera, 156 GTA - I could go on.

The new Cloverleaf alters all that. This is the most powerful variant in the model range, and its 235bhp pitches it slap bang in the middle of hot-hatch world. But the Cloverleaf isn't your classic, slightly unhinged hot hatch. Plant your foot on a dry bit of road and the steering wheel doesn't fidget in your hands, the 235bhp and 251lb ft are delivered smoothly from the new 1.7-litre turbocharged engine, and everything is strangely civilised. Previous cooking Alfas, right up to the recent MiTo, always felt like the car was under-chassised - as if there was far too much power, and the suspension and tyres couldn't really cope. Drivers were left exhausted due to the effort of constantly fighting to keep everything in check, with the result that you never drove them all that quickly.

Not so in the Giulietta. Even on a gentle run on some knackered British roads, there's a brilliant compliance to everything. It's comfortable (despite having a 10mm lower ride height than normal Giuliettas), doesn't torque steer noticeably and has minimal wind noise. Even the interior is tastefully understated, without a ribbed leather seat in sight.

But there is a problem. If you drive the Giulietta on the raggedy edge, it loses some of that composure. Where Megane RenaultSports or Golf GTIs keep on giving no matter how much they're pushed, the Cloverleaf doesn't become better the quicker you go. The steering bucks around in your hands more and the damping can't keep up with the higher speeds. Go barrelling into a corner in the Alfa too hard and the car gets too nose heavy, with no sensation of the Cloverleaf pivoting around you like the best hot hatches have. The natural chassis balance isn't quite there.

The Cloverleaf feels like Alfa has tried to make a Golf GTI rival, but it hasn't got there. To be fair, the Alfa does the Golf part of Golf GTI very well. It's comfortable and refined, you get a decent-looking car into the bargain. Plus, at £24,495 it's £385 cheaper than the five-door VW. But the GTI, bi-polar part of the Golf is missing. That final little bit of fun isn't there. Buy it because it's different, not because it's better.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/alfa-romeo/giulietta/road-test/cloverleaf-driven

http://www.topgear.com/uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/road-test/mk-6

voto finale Giulietta : 13/20
voto finale GTI : 17/20

Piers Ward

Sono sicuro che se la Giulietta fosse un prodotto inglese, il risultato finale della simpatica triade di Top Gear sarebbe leggermente diverso...

 

[PASSATTONE]

Bravo One, Ultramid è il nome con cui si identifica la famiglia di prodotti poliammidici della Basf!
Mi fa sorridere il fatto che questo tipo di comando viene utilizzato su veicoli che hanno uno sterzo "sportiv-ONE", però per la vw utilizzano la taratura alla "nonnino Evolvo"...
VA che son dei bei busonazzi sti crucchi! ;-)

Ma lo tarano apposta per te... o se preferisci per il cliente tipo che si presenta in una concessionaria VW per acquistare una bella Golf con lo "sterzo del nonno"!! :lol:

 

[paulein118]

Bravo One, Ultramid è il nome con cui si identifica la famiglia di prodotti poliammidici della Basf!
Mi fa sorridere il fatto che questo tipo di comando viene utilizzato su veicoli che hanno uno sterzo "sportiv-ONE", però per la vw utilizzano la taratura alla "nonnino Evolvo"...
VA che son dei bei busonazzi sti crucchi! ;-)

Ma lo tarano apposta per te... o se preferisci per il cliente tipo che si presenta in una concessionaria VW per acquistare una bella Golf con lo "sterzo del nonno"!! :lol:

Valà valà, che quando mi ingajardisco e tutto bello infojato serpeggio per i colli chic&cool bruciando le ps2-ps3 ci vorrebbe lo sterzo prontissimo!
13 mila km di ps2 all'anteriore della bravo e son già a cavallo dei 4 mm... :shock:

 

[PASSATTONE]

Bravo One, Ultramid è il nome con cui si identifica la famiglia di prodotti poliammidici della Basf!
Mi fa sorridere il fatto che questo tipo di comando viene utilizzato su veicoli che hanno uno sterzo "sportiv-ONE", però per la vw utilizzano la taratura alla "nonnino Evolvo"...
VA che son dei bei busonazzi sti crucchi! ;-)

Ma lo tarano apposta per te... o se preferisci per il cliente tipo che si presenta in una concessionaria VW per acquistare una bella Golf con lo "sterzo del nonno"!! :lol:

Valà valà, che quando mi ingajardisco e tutto bello infojato serpeggio per i colli chic&cool bruciando le ps2-ps3 ci vorrebbe lo sterzo prontissimo!
13 mila km di ps2 all'anteriore della bravo e son già a cavallo dei 4 mm... :shock:

Ecco si... ma più che chic... direi che sei un bel pò "Cul"!! Hahahahahaha

 

[tino85]

lo sterzo da nonno su golf è un optional che a mè garba visto che guido come un 80enne
ciao
tino85

 

[EVOLVO]

Top gear sulla Giulietta :

235bhp. Through the front wheels. In an Alfa Romeo. Normally, that's all you'd need to know to make sure you didn't buy this Giulietta Cloverleaf. After all, power and Alfas have not been happy bedfellows in recent years... 147 GTA, Brera, 156 GTA - I could go on.

The new Cloverleaf alters all that. This is the most powerful variant in the model range, and its 235bhp pitches it slap bang in the middle of hot-hatch world. But the Cloverleaf isn't your classic, slightly unhinged hot hatch. Plant your foot on a dry bit of road and the steering wheel doesn't fidget in your hands, the 235bhp and 251lb ft are delivered smoothly from the new 1.7-litre turbocharged engine, and everything is strangely civilised. Previous cooking Alfas, right up to the recent MiTo, always felt like the car was under-chassised - as if there was far too much power, and the suspension and tyres couldn't really cope. Drivers were left exhausted due to the effort of constantly fighting to keep everything in check, with the result that you never drove them all that quickly.

Not so in the Giulietta. Even on a gentle run on some knackered British roads, there's a brilliant compliance to everything. It's comfortable (despite having a 10mm lower ride height than normal Giuliettas), doesn't torque steer noticeably and has minimal wind noise. Even the interior is tastefully understated, without a ribbed leather seat in sight.

But there is a problem. If you drive the Giulietta on the raggedy edge, it loses some of that composure. Where Megane RenaultSports or Golf GTIs keep on giving no matter how much they're pushed, the Cloverleaf doesn't become better the quicker you go. The steering bucks around in your hands more and the damping can't keep up with the higher speeds. Go barrelling into a corner in the Alfa too hard and the car gets too nose heavy, with no sensation of the Cloverleaf pivoting around you like the best hot hatches have. The natural chassis balance isn't quite there.

The Cloverleaf feels like Alfa has tried to make a Golf GTI rival, but it hasn't got there. To be fair, the Alfa does the Golf part of Golf GTI very well. It's comfortable and refined, you get a decent-looking car into the bargain. Plus, at £24,495 it's £385 cheaper than the five-door VW. But the GTI, bi-polar part of the Golf is missing. That final little bit of fun isn't there. Buy it because it's different, not because it's better.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/alfa-romeo/giulietta/road-test/cloverleaf-driven

http://www.topgear.com/uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/road-test/mk-6

voto finale Giulietta : 13/20
voto finale GTI : 17/20

Piers Ward

Sono sicuro che se la Giulietta fosse un prodotto inglese, il risultato finale della simpatica triade di Top Gear sarebbe leggermente diverso...

Certamente invece l'adorazione degli inglesi per i tedeschi è famosa :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :lol:
Ai busonazzi dello "sterzo del vecchietto" ricordo che nella suddetta sfida lo sterzo geriatrico è valutato migliore di quello dell'aspide italico. alla facciaccia vostra :lol: che dire dopo aver letto della sorta di Bunga Bunga automobilistico che ha coinvolto il Passattone . diciamo Bunghen Bunghen visto l'organizzatore :lol: :lol:

 

[paulein118]

Bel feeling, ma non sportivo! eheheheh
L'altro invece pare troppo duro, avran mica le braccine anchilosate???