Serie 1 di 3a generazione a Trazione Anteriore ?

[lellom]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245478/
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BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

?It?s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,? said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform?s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

?Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,? said a BMW source. ?For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.?

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini?s multi-link suspension
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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

 

[zeusbimba]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245478/
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BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

?It?s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,? said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform?s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

?Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,? said a BMW source. ?For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.?

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini?s multi-link suspension
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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

Non so, dipende se vorranno risparmiare o meno; effettivamente, tanti bischeri non sanno neanche la differenza tra guidare una TP o una TA, (vero lello??) quindi in questa serie entry level, bisognerà fare due conti; in linea di massima penso che rimanga TP.

 

[vuotto63]

Che in tal caso la serie 1 non ha + ragione di esistere , :evil: Tanto varrebbe comprare una Bravo o una Golf o un' A3

 

[zeusbimba]

Che in tal caso la serie 1 non ha + ragione di esistere , :evil: Tanto varrebbe comprare una Bravo o una Golf o un' A3

infatti.... 8)

 

[BelliCapelli3]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245478/
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BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

“It’s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,” said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform’s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

“Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,” said a BMW source. “For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.”

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini’s multi-link suspension
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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

Si tratta di discussioni interne, e di un futuro lontano. Se lo facessero, sarebbe un errore. C'è una cosa che mette la 1er su un altro pianeta rispetto alla concorrenza. Se gliela levano, poi se la vedono con la Golf. Vedano loro.

 

[autofede2009]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245478/
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BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

“It’s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,” said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform’s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

“Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,” said a BMW source. “For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.”

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini’s multi-link suspension
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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

Si tratta di discussioni interne, e di un futuro lontano. Se lo facessero, sarebbe un errore. C'è una cosa che mette la 1er su un altro pianeta rispetto alla concorrenza. Se gliela levano, poi se la vedono con la Golf. Vedano loro.

poi non dire che non te l'avevo detto...

 

[lellom]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245478/
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BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

“It’s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,” said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform’s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

“Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,” said a BMW source. “For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.”

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini’s multi-link suspension
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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

Si tratta di discussioni interne, e di un futuro lontano. Se lo facessero, sarebbe un errore. C'è una cosa che mette la 1er su un altro pianeta rispetto alla concorrenza. Se gliela levano, poi se la vedono con la Golf. Vedano loro.

Sono daccordissimo...e se se la vedono con la Golf le buscano di sicuro.

 

[autofede2009]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245478/
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BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

“It’s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,” said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform’s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

“Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,” said a BMW source. “For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.”

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini’s multi-link suspension
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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

Si tratta di discussioni interne, e di un futuro lontano. Se lo facessero, sarebbe un errore. C'è una cosa che mette la 1er su un altro pianeta rispetto alla concorrenza. Se gliela levano, poi se la vedono con la Golf. Vedano loro.

Sono daccordissimo...e se se la vedono con la Golf le buscano di sicuro.

dipende anche dal prezzo... scendere di listino di qualche migliaio di euro e mantenere l'elica sul cofano avrebbe comunque il suo appeal rispetto ad un prezzo equivalente della media del popolo...

 

[lellom]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245478/
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BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

“It’s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,” said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform’s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

“Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,” said a BMW source. “For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.”

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini’s multi-link suspension
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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

Si tratta di discussioni interne, e di un futuro lontano. Se lo facessero, sarebbe un errore. C'è una cosa che mette la 1er su un altro pianeta rispetto alla concorrenza. Se gliela levano, poi se la vedono con la Golf. Vedano loro.

Sono daccordissimo...e se se la vedono con la Golf le buscano di sicuro.

dipende anche dal prezzo... scendere di listino di qualche migliaio di euro e mantenere l'elica sul cofano avrebbe comunque il suo appeal rispetto ad un prezzo equivalente della media del popolo...

Anche questo è vero...ma difficilmente scenderanno di listino fede.ci sarebbe sempre l'immagine da salvaguardare.e poi in fondo già oggi,almeno in europa,le prende alla grande dalla A3 che costa uguale e ha meccanica Golf.

 

[eugenio62]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245478/
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BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

?It?s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,? said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform?s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

?Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,? said a BMW source. ?For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.?

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini?s multi-link suspension
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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

Dunque....difficile abituarsi all'idea..

senza TP ci sarebbe una enorme perdita di immagine ed un altrettanto ridimensionamento sul piacere di guida.......però chiaro che si risparmirebbe sul peso ( 80 kg circa ?) ed anche il prezzo dovrebbe scendere...forse.

Vi immaginate il nuovo 2.0td da 184 cv su una 1er più leggera ?
Ed il twin turbo ( forse con la seconda turbina che passerà da fissa a variabile ) con una corrozzeria di 50-80 kg in meno.

Non dimentichaimoci che la bmw è quella che è anche per i motori...non solo per la TP.

 

[luigi76_BMW]

non credo che la comprerei di nuovo se fosse a TA

quando la presi scelsi fra A3 e serie 1 solo per quello e in parte per il motore...

 

[matteomatte1]

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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

che forse faranno una serie 0 più piccola dell'attuale serie 1

 

[zeusbimba]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245478/
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BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

?It?s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,? said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform?s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

?Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,? said a BMW source. ?For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.?

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini?s multi-link suspension
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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

Dunque....difficile abituarsi all'idea..

senza TP ci sarebbe una enorme perdita di immagine ed un altrettanto ridimensionamento sul piacere di guida.......però chiaro che si risparmirebbe sul peso ( 80 kg circa ?) ed anche il prezzo dovrebbe scendere...forse.

Vi immaginate il nuovo 2.0td da 184 cv su una 1er più leggera ?
Ed il twin turbo ( forse con la seconda turbina che passerà da fissa a variabile ) con una corrozzeria di 50-80 kg in meno.

Non dimentichaimoci che la bmw è quella che è anche per i motori...non solo per la TP.

infatti, le potenze e le coppie dei diesel moderni, specialmente i 184 o 204cv non possono montare la TA, o comunque rimane la 3°scelta, prima ovviamente TP e TI.

 

[BelliCapelli3]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245478/
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BMW and PSA Peugeot Citroën are set to extend their joint venture operations to include a new small car platform, which could be used to create a front-wheel-drive 1-series as well as the next generation of Minis.

Already involved in the joint design and production of four-pot engines for Mini and PSA models, the two firms are working on a deal to build a new modular front-wheel drive platform.

The planned structure will underpin the next-generation Mini range, as well as successors to the Citroën C3 and C4, Peugeot 308 and the forthcoming Peugeot 208.

“It’s no secret that we have been seeking to extend our joint venture operations. In the end we decided to build on our successful relationship with Peugeot,” said a BMW source. The decision is scheduled to be made public early next year.

But the biggest change would involve the platform’s use in the 1-series. BMW officials have hinted that future incarnations of the 1-series could sit on the same basic structure as the 2013 Mini.

“Nothing is concrete at this stage but discussions are on-going about whether or not BMW should break with the tradition of rear and four-wheel-drive cars,” said a BMW source. “For many in this company it is a taboo subject. But we have to be realistic with the targets we have set ourselves for fuel consumption and emissions, and they clearly favour a front-wheel-drive solution for 2018.”

The platform is said to centre on a front-end module, including the entire engine bay, front suspension and bulkhead, to which each car maker will attach its own rear end. That solution would allow BMW to retain the Mini’s multi-link suspension
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Si vede che le voci che giravano avevano un fondamento ....che ne pensate?

Dunque....difficile abituarsi all'idea..

senza TP ci sarebbe una enorme perdita di immagine ed un altrettanto ridimensionamento sul piacere di guida.......però chiaro che si risparmirebbe sul peso ( 80 kg circa ?) ed anche il prezzo dovrebbe scendere...forse.

Vi immaginate il nuovo 2.0td da 184 cv su una 1er più leggera ?
Ed il twin turbo ( forse con la seconda turbina che passerà da fissa a variabile ) con una corrozzeria di 50-80 kg in meno.

Non dimentichaimoci che la bmw è quella che è anche per i motori...non solo per la TP.

NON stiamo parlando della prossima serie 1, ma di quella dopo, che uscirà fra 9 anni. LO DICO FORTE perchè mi senta anche lellom che, nella fretta dell'arrapamento, scrive titoloni sbagliati, che correggerei.

Si parla dell'anno del Signore 2018, quando il 2 litri non avrà 185, ma 250cv, e con la trazione anteriore, 100 di questi serviranno a far accendere la spia del controllo trazione, anche con 80 kili di meno. Andiamoci cauti con le news di Lello.

 

[flankker66]

della serie fateci ride...
la serie1 resterà sempre tp anche dopo il 2018.
nascerà invece sulla base della futura mini la bmw city(magari con altro nome),una utilitaria di lusso "urbana".
servirà per ridurre i costi di produzione della mini ed ovviamente condividerà una parte della componentistica con psa
la city avrà TA per ridurre i pesi e gli ingombri e per far posto a motori elettrici e roba simile.
per questo motivo una parte delle future mini sarà prodotta in germania,
si devono addestrare alla TA.
la TP ha necessità di pesi e di ingombri superiori e non è compatibile con auto piccole.
per il resto queste sono le notizie che piacciono a lello,sempre parlare di quello che non c'è